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Raevengeance
04-18-04, 09:48 AM
OK - Since 1997 there have been 5 'accidental' drownings in my hometown. The police department say they are all just coincidence with the only link being extreme intoxication and close proximity to the Mississippi River.
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Charles Blatz, 28, of Kiel, Wis., whose body was recovered on Oct. 3, 1997, after a fisherman reported seeing a body floating face down in the main channel of the river not far from the Seventh Street landing. Blatz, a student at the University of Wisconsin-Platteville, had been missing for a week after coming to La Crosse for Oktoberfest weekend. His blood-alcohol content was 0.31 percent, three times the legal limit. He suffered trauma after his drowned body was struck by a barge. The death was ruled accidental.

Anthony D. ``Tony'' Skifton, 19, of 820 Caledonia St., who was last seen by friends about bar time on Oct. 5, 1997, as he left a party. His body was found five days later in Isle La Plume Slough, which runs along the east side of Houska Park south of the C[arse] Street Bridge. A medical examiner's report said no foul play was involved but ``acute alcohol intoxication'' was a contributing factor in the death. Skifton had a blood-alcohol content of 0.23, more than twice the legal limit. The death was ruled accidental because a medical examiner's report said Skifton probably fell off the dock.

Nathan Kapfer, 20, a Viterbo College sophomore from Glendive, Mont., whose body was pulled from the Mississippi River on April 4, 1998, six weeks after he was reported missing. He was last seen walking alone. Earlier, he had been cited for four under age drinking citations. No foul play was involved and his blood-alcohol content was 0.22 percent, said a medical examiner's report. The death was ruled undetermined. His wallet, under age drinking citations and base ball hat were neatly piled up near the Indian statue in River side Park.

Jeffrey F. Geesey, 20, a UW-L student, who disappeared April 11, 1999. His body was found May 22 in the branch of the Mississippi River in the town of Shelby. He was last seen at Club Millennium in downtown La Crosse in the early morning hours of April 11 talking to two girls. Police said Geesey was drinking with two friends who were so intoxicated that they could not remember what bars they had frequented. Police said there was no indication of trauma or foul play. The death certificate, signed by the medical examiner, listed the cause of death as undetermined. Toxicology reports are expected to be completed next week. The case remains open.

(and the most recent case)
"There is no evidence of foul play. No evidence of any kind of altercation. No sign of a fight that took place. We found no evidence that Jared was being stalked. We found no one who had resentment toward him, was angry with him or anything like that," Kondracki said. "There was just no evidence he had any kind of altercation or contact with anyone after he was last seen."

Investigators concluded Thursday that a highly intoxicated Dion likely died when he accidentally fell into the river after he was separated from friends while trying to catch a bus after leaving a downtown bar around 2:30 a.m. Saturday, Kondracki said.

Dion was last seen leaving John's Bar. Instead of following his friends to the east, Dion entered Riverside Park where he eventually fell into the river.

Dion, who police Capt. Mitch Brohmer said was an average swimmer, likely tried to swim back to shore, but was probably pulled into the deep, cold water by the strong current, Kondracki said.

"The river is 18-feet deep right off the shore, and the current is very fast. Even a well-conditioned swimmer under the most ideal conditions would find it difficult to make it to shore in that water," Kondracki said.

Why Dion walked to the park will never be known, Kondracki said.

"It's hard for most anyone to know what it's like to function with a blood alcohol rate of any significance," Kondracki said.

Some in the community maintain that someone is to blame for the seven river deaths, but Kondracki said alcohol played a role in every one of the deaths.

"The common denominators in these past cases are excessive intoxication coupled with individuals venturing out onto or falling into the Mississippi, where the water is extremely deep and the current very fast," Kondracki said. "I am absolutely convinced that no crimes have been committed and these cases are extremely unfortunate mishaps."

Dion's body was found by the La Crosse Dive and Rescue Team and La Crosse Fire Department about 7:50 a.m. Thursday.

His body was found about 30 feet off shore and likely had not drifted far from where Dion fell in five days earlier, Brohmer said.

The 21-year-old UW-L marketing student and wrestler was last seen at 2:30 a.m. Saturday, when some friends got on the Safe Ride bus to go back to campus, but Dion stayed behind.

He had made plans with his mother, who lives in Merton, Wis., to celebrate Easter in La Crosse, but failed to contact her or his girlfriend as expected Saturday.

Dion's four roommates - one is his younger brother, Adam - confirmed he never came home after he and a group of friends went downtown about 11:30 p.m. Friday.

Family, friends and UW-L students had posted flyers and made buttons throughout the week, hoping someone had seen Dion. Searchers, including specially trained dogs, began concentrating on the Riverside Park area after a man had reported Wednesday finding Dion's Boston Red Sox cap in the park.
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all information courtesy of the La Crosse Tribune in the past week.

Other information not mentioned:
Tony Skifton was absolutely TERRIFIED of water - LCPD says he fell in while trying to urinate into the river - his family all insist he wouldn't go to the river to do that - if he had to go that bady, he'd just do it somewhere else - because he wouldn't go anywhere NEAR the river.

Just curious what you all would think based on the basic facts.

Raevengeance
04-18-04, 09:52 AM
Other info on these cases as well as other cases in the upper midwest can be found

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing.html

http://www.childseeknetwork.com/Darkness.htm

Baby_Girl89
04-18-04, 03:16 PM
<span style="color:darkviolet">i think it might have been someone who got some sick pleasure from seeing these young men drown. the other "coincidence" was that they were all around the same age it seemed. so the person probably targetted college guys that got overly intoxicated so that it seemed as if they were accidents.</span>

courlyn
04-19-04, 10:35 AM
That's not a lot of drowning deaths in 7 years time if you're on the river. I'd say they were accidental.

Baby_Girl89
04-19-04, 02:31 PM
<span style="color:darkviolet">maybe but it just sounded like some of the details were sketchy to me. i mean if you had a different MO of people "accidentally" dying within 7 years would you still call them accidents?</span>

courlyn
04-19-04, 02:38 PM
Well, if people accidently got hit by trains but I lived by a train station it wouldn't seem so odd. I live near a river so I hear this stuff about people drowning, maybe that's why it doesn't sound so far fetched to me. Take into consideration that the ages are similar and that may seem odd but those are big partying years of ages. I mean it's possible it's more but it seems accidently coincidence to me.

Baby_Girl89
04-19-04, 04:10 PM
<span style="color:darkviolet">well for me i guess being a cj major doesn't help and watching all of my shows just always pushes suspicion into my head i guess. and the other thing was not every one of them actually lived near there so i dunno. maybe if someone "accidentally" dies who isn't intoxicated there might be more to the matter.</span>

Raevengeance
04-19-04, 04:56 PM
I should also probably add - in every instance an article of clothing was found near where the body was ultimately found - and what kid takes off his hat and puts it on a stone railing - before wandering further down an enbankment covered in rocks.

My problem is - knowing the area (and I may go down and take pics of the area so you can see what I mean) the bank is covered in good sized rocks - yet none of the victims showed any signs of trauma - if they were that drunk - they couldn't get down the bank without stumbling/falling - and that would cause trauma as they hit the rocks on the way down.

Also A. Skiffton was TERRIFIED of the water - and everyone who knows him has said - even drunk, he wouldn't go anywhere near the river so it's still odd he would have been in a situation to end up in the water.

Baby_Girl89
04-19-04, 05:09 PM
see sounds super fishy to me.

courlyn
04-20-04, 09:29 AM
I re-read it and only one states the actual condition of one body and that was because he was hit by a barge so just reading we wouldn't know there were rocks below or that there was no trauma. That is not listed.

The one with everything piled up sounds like he decided he could swim - being drunk gives a lot of confidence for really stupid ideas.

If they were unfamiliar with the area, it would make it MORE likely to me that they would fall in accidently. If you know the area, you know where to go and step. If you don't know the area, any misstep can cause trouble.

Did they all fall in the Mississippi at the same area?

Being very very drunk really messes up your senses.....just my opinion.

Baby_Girl89
04-20-04, 04:13 PM
i wouldn't know about being really drunk and getting your senses messed up i've never gotten drunk before on any level. :P but if a person is terrified of water and especially waters they know could 'cause trouble i don't care what condition they're in i highly doubt that they would go near the water for whatever reason. being drunk often times from what i've heard heightens the sense of fear as well. so i would think he'd be more terrified of going near the river.

courlyn
04-21-04, 07:59 AM
Having been totally completely wasted before, being drunk messes up your sense of direction, inhibits fears (I've never had it enhance a fear but I guess some people might), you get disoriented,stumble, etc....NOT the best state of mind to be in....

My first hubby came home drunk, pulled the soda cans out from under the kitchen sink, and peed in them because he thought he was in the bathroom.....and the light was on....so I guess I just see a different angle than you do. If he could stand in a familiar kitchen in the light and think he was in the bathroom, it's not a far cry for me to believe someone could be in the dark, think they were somewhere else and make a uhboo of a bad kind. especially if he wasn't familiar with the area. he could have heard the river and thought he was near a restroom.

Foul play is always a possibility, but so are drunken stupors.

Baby_Girl89
04-21-04, 02:23 PM
i guess like i said i watch too many shows and take too many cl[arse]es to even begin to consider a different possibility. maybe if the ages changed or there was something else that was a little different from the rest i would see it differently but until then i'm gonna stick to my idea haha.

courlyn
04-21-04, 03:20 PM
Don't ya wish you could see the police files!!!

Baby_Girl89
04-21-04, 03:29 PM
shoot only police file i really want to see right now is the one for my accident back in december but oh well.

courlyn
04-21-04, 04:06 PM
Oh, you had an accident. Sorry, hope you're okay.

Raevengeance
04-21-04, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by courlyn@Apr 21 2004, 02:20 PM
Don't ya wish you could see the police files!!!
actually - you can see police files. And I'm very tempted to request the files on all the accidental drownings just to see exactly what they have.

Baby_Girl89
04-21-04, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by courlyn@Apr 21 2004, 02:06 PM
Oh, you had an accident. Sorry, hope you're okay.
physically i'm fine although i wish i weren't.

courlyn
04-22-04, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by nick's_empress_izzy+Apr 21 2004, 05:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nick's_empress_izzy @ Apr 21 2004, 05:03 PM)</div> <!--QuoteBegin-courlyn@Apr 21 2004, 02:06 PM
Oh, you had an accident.ÂÂÂ* Sorry, hope you're okay.
physically i'm fine although i wish i weren't. [/b]
huh? You wish you were hurt? :(

Baby_Girl89
04-22-04, 11:57 AM
i wish i were dead.

courlyn
04-22-04, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by nick's_empress_izzy@Apr 22 2004, 11:57 AM
i wish i were dead.
Then you should seek help.
Good luck

Baby_Girl89
04-22-04, 03:45 PM
seeking help won't do me any good. i just want this to be over with already.